Comments on: “How to get 11.5K HP and Uncrushable Pre-Kara” http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2007/05/15/how-to-get-115k-hp-and-uncrushable-pre-kara/ Impish by nature. Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:52:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Jayth http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2007/05/15/how-to-get-115k-hp-and-uncrushable-pre-kara/#comment-1423 Jayth Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:26:14 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=144#comment-1423 Kaziel, this is pre-kara, meaning gear to go into Karazhan. 10k would be plenty to OFF TANK, but Paladins aren't built for that, and 186 spell damage is plenty to main tank Karazhan, unless the player is absolutely awful. I'm sorry but you're wrong. Kaziel, this is pre-kara, meaning gear to go into Karazhan. 10k would be plenty to OFF TANK, but Paladins aren’t built for that, and 186 spell damage is plenty to main tank Karazhan, unless the player is absolutely awful.

I’m sorry but you’re wrong.

]]> By: Sludge http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2007/05/15/how-to-get-115k-hp-and-uncrushable-pre-kara/#comment-1406 Sludge Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:22:16 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=144#comment-1406 spell damage is very important, u want about as much spell damage equal to 1/2 your dps's dps. (read that last part right and it makes sense i promise). otherwise you will have a tough time keeping aggro off of your dps. spell damage is very important, u want about as much spell damage equal to 1/2 your dps’s dps. (read that last part right and it makes sense i promise). otherwise you will have a tough time keeping aggro off of your dps.

]]> By: Nibuca http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2007/05/15/how-to-get-115k-hp-and-uncrushable-pre-kara/#comment-1078 Nibuca Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:23:08 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=144#comment-1078 Whoops. Sorry, I updated it. That was a bad copy/paste from when I updated this list from "list of gear" to "list of stuff to look for in pally tanking". Whoops. Sorry, I updated it. That was a bad copy/paste from when I updated this list from “list of gear” to “list of stuff to look for in pally tanking”.

]]> By: Wakeman http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2007/05/15/how-to-get-115k-hp-and-uncrushable-pre-kara/#comment-1076 Wakeman Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:27:21 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=144#comment-1076 One of the limitation mentioned here is: Prefered Stats: intelligence, mana per 5, spell crit, healing, stamina which, except stamina, are everything that might look important for a tankadins BUT aren't important in practice. Was the paragraph got hacked? One of the limitation mentioned here is: Prefered Stats: intelligence, mana per 5, spell crit, healing, stamina

which, except stamina, are everything that might look important for a tankadins BUT aren’t important in practice.

Was the paragraph got hacked?

]]> By: Nibuca http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2007/05/15/how-to-get-115k-hp-and-uncrushable-pre-kara/#comment-131 Nibuca Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:21:50 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=144#comment-131 Added the label. Uncrittable = 490 Defense. This means that mobs level 73(boss ?? level mobs) will not be able to crit you. Uncrushable = 102.3% combined avoidance. Add together block, parry, miss (~5%), and dodge to get your combined avoidance. If it's above 102.3% then you can't be crushed (crushing blows deal 1.5x damage to you from mobs that are 3 levels higher than you). Handy avoidance macro: Paladin: <blockquote>/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Need 102.4 combined avoidance. Currently at:",0.8,0.8,1) /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetDodgeChance()+GetBlockChance() + GetParryChance() +5+(GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL) + 20)*0.04,1,0.5,0) </blockquote> Warrior: <blockquote> /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Need 102.4 combined avoidance. Currently at:",0.8,0.8,1) /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetDodgeChance()+GetBlockChance() + GetParryChance() +5+(GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL) )*0.04,1,0.5,0) </blockquote> I've found Heroics to be much harder than Karazhan. There are quite a few Heroics that even now when I'm almost fully Kara geared, I'm not sure we could handle them (any KoT). Added the label.

Uncrittable = 490 Defense. This means that mobs level 73(boss ?? level mobs) will not be able to crit you.
Uncrushable = 102.3% combined avoidance. Add together block, parry, miss (~5%), and dodge to get your combined avoidance. If it’s above 102.3% then you can’t be crushed (crushing blows deal 1.5x damage to you from mobs that are 3 levels higher than you).

Handy avoidance macro:
Paladin:

/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(”Need 102.4 combined avoidance. Currently at:”,0.8,0.8,1)
/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetDodgeChance()+GetBlockChance() + GetParryChance() +5+(GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL) + 20)*0.04,1,0.5,0)

Warrior:

/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(”Need 102.4 combined avoidance. Currently at:”,0.8,0.8,1)
/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetDodgeChance()+GetBlockChance() + GetParryChance() +5+(GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL) )*0.04,1,0.5,0)

I’ve found Heroics to be much harder than Karazhan. There are quite a few Heroics that even now when I’m almost fully Kara geared, I’m not sure we could handle them (any KoT).

]]> By: Valdesta http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2007/05/15/how-to-get-115k-hp-and-uncrushable-pre-kara/#comment-130 Valdesta Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:03:30 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=144#comment-130 Might I suggest you label the top of this with what class you're talking about? I saw plate and tank and thought Warrior ;) I don't have a tank at near-Heroics level myself but I'm wondering: Uncrushable != Uncrittable, right? So, does this mean that "if you don't want to deal with the Heroics before Kara", it's actually easier for a tank to gear up to Kara standards than Heroics standards? Or is this just one of the differences between a Pally tank and a Warrior tank? :) Valdesta <a href="http://wowgrrl.com" rel="nofollow">WoWGrrl player blog</a> Might I suggest you label the top of this with what class you’re talking about? I saw plate and tank and thought Warrior ;)
I don’t have a tank at near-Heroics level myself but I’m wondering:

Uncrushable != Uncrittable, right? So, does this mean that “if you don’t want to deal with the Heroics before Kara”, it’s actually easier for a tank to gear up to Kara standards than Heroics standards?

Or is this just one of the differences between a Pally tank and a Warrior tank? :)
Valdesta
WoWGrrl player blog

]]> By: Robert http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2007/05/15/how-to-get-115k-hp-and-uncrushable-pre-kara/#comment-129 Robert Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:21:31 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=144#comment-129 As far as I have seen, as long as you are uncrushable, the spell dmg from the few pieces of Righteous gear and a good Spelldmg sword w/ spell power enchant is completely sufficient. As far as I have seen, as long as you are uncrushable, the spell dmg from the few pieces of Righteous gear and a good Spelldmg sword w/ spell power enchant is completely sufficient.

]]> By: Walkere http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2007/05/15/how-to-get-115k-hp-and-uncrushable-pre-kara/#comment-128 Walkere Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:31:49 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=144#comment-128 Yes, spell damage is useful to increase your threat generation, but at low levels (200 Spell Dam, and Seal of the Crusader), you can generate plenty of threat. I just got my Paladin to level 70, and my goal was about the same - get 11k+ HP, get uncrushable (or close to it), and head off to tank Karazhan for my guild. I'm currently sitting at just over 200 Spell Damage, and I was able to tank the whole place. I held aggro against an epic'ed out Rogue and an epic'ed out Shadow Priest. Goal 1 is to survive. Once you have the HP and avoidance to survive tanking, you can divert some points into Spell Damage. Unfortunately, you won't be able to sacrifice the item value for Spell Damage until you pick up some Karazhan or later epics. Yes, spell damage is useful to increase your threat generation, but at low levels (200 Spell Dam, and Seal of the Crusader), you can generate plenty of threat.

I just got my Paladin to level 70, and my goal was about the same - get 11k+ HP, get uncrushable (or close to it), and head off to tank Karazhan for my guild. I’m currently sitting at just over 200 Spell Damage, and I was able to tank the whole place. I held aggro against an epic’ed out Rogue and an epic’ed out Shadow Priest.

Goal 1 is to survive. Once you have the HP and avoidance to survive tanking, you can divert some points into Spell Damage. Unfortunately, you won’t be able to sacrifice the item value for Spell Damage until you pick up some Karazhan or later epics.

]]> By: Nibuca http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2007/05/15/how-to-get-115k-hp-and-uncrushable-pre-kara/#comment-127 Nibuca Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:41:36 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=144#comment-127 @Ryan What makes you say that? I'd love to see your information to back that statement up. As far as I can tell, +spell damage adds directly to holy damage. Since most everything the tank is doing is generating holy damage it seems that +spell damage is the obvious choice. More spell damage = more threat. @Ryan
What makes you say that? I’d love to see your information to back that statement up.

As far as I can tell, +spell damage adds directly to holy damage. Since most everything the tank is doing is generating holy damage it seems that +spell damage is the obvious choice. More spell damage = more threat.

]]> By: Ryan http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2007/05/15/how-to-get-115k-hp-and-uncrushable-pre-kara/#comment-126 Ryan Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:56:41 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=144#comment-126 Spell damage isnt all that important for a pally tank... Spell damage isnt all that important for a pally tank…

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