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Fuck you and your fucking curve!

“Behind the curve”

In BC it didn’t matter. I didn’t start playing until BC had been out for a month.. I didn’t hit 70 until it’d been out for ~8 months. It didn’t matter that my guild was “behind the curve” and just rolling into Kara when others were finishing off Black Temple. It didn’t matter that others had progressed further. It didn’t matter that Sunwell was never even remotely achievable.. it was enough that we made it to where we were. I measured us against us.

So then the expansion leveled the playing field. Suddenly everyone was even and had to start leveling to 80. Everyone gathered greens and blues and started venturing into Naxx. And suddenly I started reading about all these people..who were totally smashing their way thorough Naxx. Facerolling their way to success. Cries of “It’s so easy, only terribads would have trouble with it.”, “Why can’t you just do this.. you must have downs***”, “The game is dumbed-down to easy for all the stinking ‘casuals’”.

And I looked at my guild.. and our progression.. we had 2 healers.. we had a small handful of 80s.. we ventured into Naxx and promptly got our asses handed to us. And I -know- we’re not bad players.. but the cries of “Terribad” rang loudly in my ears. Then Matticus, bless his heart, posted his requirements for entry into Naxx: “DPSer should bring 2k DPS minimum” (gulp. I was barely scraping up 1.6k) And I started to believe the presses.

Maybe we were terribad.. maybe we were the suxor.. maybe we were doing it wrong. Maybe we were cast into a hell of “no fun” where we never get to talk about the big baddie we vanquished. Maybe every story I ever tell about a boss fight will have to be told apologetically..

Ugh. Maybe not. We are where we are. There is value in every story.

So I’m saying right here, right now. Sod off you hulking masses of uber-leet. I don’t care how freaking easy it was for you. It’s not easy for me. It’s not a “given”. So you can just STFU and it’s my freaking blog.. so if I want to crow about my guild -finally- getting some random boss down.. I will.

And I will blog about how farking happy I am to squeeze 100 more dps out of trash (because unlike Fallenman I actually do think it’s important to be well rounded and have good trash DPS if only to not be “the suck” in Heroics and farming runs). And I will continue to celebrate the fact that I’m in a fraking casual guild. And frankly there more of us than there are of you.. and Blizz likes us.. and puts cool stuff into the game for us.

*deep breath*
So anyway. Last night we whipped up a guild group and one-shotted Omen, VoA-10 and OS-10. The raid leader asked if we wanted to leave any of the drakes up.. the consensus was “we should be able to totally complete OS without anyone dying (to the flame walls) before we start leaving any drakes up”. Last night one person died. I’m not sure if it was add or flame walls. Better luck next week. Tonight we’re headed back into Naxx-10. I’m really hopeful that we’ll get Loatheb and Grobulous this week. We’re very close.

I still need 4 more coins from Elders. I’m fairly certain I’ll be able to get them. Last night I got the Gundrak and Drak’Tharon coins.

*** True story.. I pugged into Sunwell and got the achievement.. one of the “uber-leets” in the run spent most of the time on the run insulting all of the “normal” folks in the run (by normal I think I mean “casual players who don’t do high end raiding”). Several times he referred to us as “down”. I’m very glad he’s not in my guild and I don’t have to put up with crap like that all the time. Calling us “downs” because we die to a boss ability that you’ve seen 1,000 times.. and yet failed to explain in standard english… fail.

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22 comments to Fuck you and your fucking curve!

  • Amen. I am very tired of people who have started raiding the first week of WotLK and cry about how boring WoW is, how easy everything is, how there are no challenges.

    Don’t listen to the crap out there. I haven’t even started raiding yet, we will start this week with OS-10. Just try to have fun, ignore the rest. :)

    Kadomis last blog post..Glyphs in WotLK, in action

  • Jacob

    Yeah, 2k DPS (individual) sounds plausible. You can afford to be a little lower, but not too much lower.

    One thing I try to be careful about is not insult a player for low performance of their toon. Performance is a blend of personal skill and gear, but the gear must be there. If your guild is still getting geared up through 80-dungeons and heroic dungeons, it is normal for your group to have low DPS and it is normal for you to find Naxx challenging.

    The people tossing careless insults are the ones who have six weeks’ worth of upgrades, and they wouldn’t do as well without those upgrades.

    (Yes, skill matters. People need to learn to move away from the fire. But skill merely multiplies the value of the gear, and doesn’t help if the gear isn’t there.)

  • I’ve noticed in PuGs that some people take the full 5 points in Asshattery. I’ve also noticed that those people never seem to top any charts, despite having more purple than Roman emperors. Bitching (Rank 7) and Moaning (Rank 5) must throw off their precise rotations.

    Keep enjoying the game, and fuck those fucking fuckers.

    *hug*

  • Rob

    Good post, i agree. I’ll start by saying i have alot of experience raiding but I don’t consider myself that good. I just don’t care that much. Alot of these immature kids really just roll with good, skilled, dedicated people. I am in a big-name guild, and they rolled through Naxx like it was candy. But they downed Illidan, and have been raiding for a year or more. So we were all raiding vets, that’s really crucial. Know your class, get geared as possible, know the strat, etc.

    When I’ve done heroics or Naxx out of guild, it’s alot harder because the people are inevitably not as skilled. To me this is actually a challenge in that I’d rather the content be easy than slack off (as a healer its very easy to slack off if you have really pro healers).

    Anyway yeah naxx is going to be hard, alot of the bosses are dps checks and it’s just going to be challenging. Some are not however, and those that just require figuring out the trick you should not have too many problems with.

    Remember in dealing with people in WoW, most of the people are young, ie 20, 15, whatever. If you let them piss you off with their ass hat behavior you give your power to them. Don’t do it. Stop, go play another game, another toon, read a book, watch TV, etc. Some people live on the misery of others.

    And if the guild cant do it, so what. It’s just a game, who gives a rats ass if mr. 12 year old pro at everything thinks its easy.

  • /Cheer
    /Standing O

    Very well said, couldn’t agree with you more.

  • Andor

    One of the realities of a game like WoW, or really any game for that matter, is the more time you devote to playing it the better you are/further you get/easier it is. WoW compounds this effect because it is so gear-centric.

    The people who play the most hours, especially if they dedicate that time to raiding, tend to have better gear than people who can’t or don’t play as much. Thus their toons are more powerful and ultimately it has the effect of making the encounters easier for them. It has zero to do with talent, skill, motivation, drive or anything else.

    More time played = more gear obtained = more powerful toon = game becomes easier. If you only play 20 hours a week you can’t measure yourself against someone who plays 80 hours a week.

    I was around for those first Naxx runs. They failed because people had not played enough hours to obtain the gear that was necessary to be successful. Once the drive took place to get everyone geared up the subsequent runs were much better. It had nothing to do with lack of skill or desire.

    As for the asshats just consider this — that person strutting around all epiced-out stroking their e-peen by thinking they are better than others is in reality just someone who probably doesn’t have much going for them so they spend all their free time playing an ultimately meaningless game to escape from the harsh reality of their pathetic miserable life. Somehow thinking of it in these terms always makes me feel better… :)

  • Yay! The Casuals of the world salute you!

    The hardcores power gamers? Yeah, you make up about 5% of the population of the game. Which means 95% of Bliz’s money comes from us. Can’t imagine which group I would cater to, were I in their shoes. Sorry…money makes the world go ’round.

    Kusamotos last blog post..He Got Next?

  • Here Here, its so good to hear my guild is not the only one that hasn’t cleared all the content (we haven’t even started yet because we are a very small guild but we are probably going to get started next month). I just hope we are able to keep everybody happy enough to stick around for when we can start downing stuff

    Mister Ks last blog post..Instance server not available????

  • /cheer

    I’m a GM of a casual guild. We’re starting to raid a lot more and I’ll be damned if I am going to dump the mage who has busted her ass helping people, helping us recruit and just been an all around winner in personality just because she runs on a crappy computer that lags up when her crappy graphics card has to deal with 10 people on a screen in a raid.

    Lack of DPS doesn’t always mean not having the right gear or knowing the best spell rotation. Sometimes it can be because your computer or connection sucks.

    Just because her numbers aren’t there doesn’t mean she isn’t contributing more to the guild on a whole that the mage that is bringing 3k dps+

  • Loved the post, loved the message.

    I’m currently in a casual guild that is getting interested in raiding. It’s been hard to convey the message that just because everyone else (read: hardcore) is easily clearing stuff does not mean we can. Especially when most of our members are not used to roles/strats/etc of anything beyond 5mans.

    You get there when you get there, but you have to have fun doing it. I’d rather have fun wiping with my guildies as we learn to work together and learn the content together than to be with a top-end raiding guild that feels like a job.

    Syranas last blog post..Amongst the Ruins is Back On Tour!

  • I agree with the message as well, our casual guild just ventured into and cleared Spider wing last night so don’t worry, you’re not alone in being “behind the curve” :)

    That said, I think there needs to be a certain amount of caution in the “anti-hardcore” sentiment. I don’t think they are saying raids are easy to belittle true casual players, they are simply competing on a different scale and with different goals. Players like us aren’t looking to get server firsts, or doing 3d-Sartharion while turning cartwheels. There may very well be an element of truth that your guild does have bad players (but great people). The key point is : so what if they are bad players? As long as you’re having fun and progressing towards your goals (slowly but surely) that’s good enough for a casual guild. Put it the other way: we aren’t the best players in the game for sure, but there’s a lot of satisfaction in learning and improving as well, which I’m sure you know since you put in a lot of effort researching and thinking about your spell rotations.

    The danger about blaming it on gear, and age, and play-time etc etc is that it simply pushes the blame to an external factor that you have no control over. Once that happens, you stop improving because you’re content to keep doing the same (perhaps wrong) thing until enough gear drops to compensate. “Ahha! See, gear was the problem all along!”. My personal worry is that Blizzard goes down the route of dumbing down content to allow people who aren’t willing to improve to overcome it. I definitely didn’t have the same feeling of accomplishment clearing out Spider wing compared to clearing Kara the first time, which is kind of a shame.

    pockies last blog post..Night out in Naxx-10

  • Barefootwanderer

    *uproarious applause*

    that is all :P

    elitist arseholes really get on my tits

  • I’m fortunate to be involved with a high quality alliance. A very good friend of the guild has taken it upon himself to organize a bunch of like-minded inviduals from numerous casual guilds. Many of these guilds don’t raid on their own (including ours currently), so this is our only outlet, and we only do it once a week. Needless to say, many of the people aren’t the best gear, and don’t spend uber hours in-game.

    Our first ventures into VA and OS say *plenty* of wipes. It was undeniably frustrating, but we kept calm and learned our lessons. Two weeks later we one shotted each of those with only a handful of deaths (no complete wipes). Now, there was definitely some gear work done in there, and TONS of learning, but the point is: You have to take your lumps first.

    Once upon a time, each of those e-peeners took their lumps too. They may never admit it, but there was a time when they weren’t over geared and didn’t know thier class and needed to be taught. Part of the fun for me IS the learning experience, the challenge.

    The same people who will belittle you for it “not being easy” will turn around and bitch at Blizz for making it “too easy”. The lesson there is that the challenge is what we make it. You want it to be hard? Go in and do it naked and then come brag to me how easy it is.

    If you DON’T want it to be easy, then maybe you shouldn’t rush through the rest of the game and get overgeared and make it that way. Accept the challenges as they come, and you’ll find a more fullfilling game will come to you. If you DO want it to be easy, then keep doing what you’re doing, just don’t bitch about it when it is what YOU made it.

    /agree with the MC :-)

    Fulguraliss last blog post..Snow Day Gear List

  • BigFire

    Look at this from the other end of of your argument. When I tank through an Heroic, it’s not unusual for me to be the top of Damage Taken, DPS, Damage Done. I understand that there’s a lot of AoE damage, and Paladin gets to cheat on damage.

    What’s not good is for fire mage showing on Heroic in season 3 gears and doing 900 DPS. I mean, the only explanation is that they’re afk following the other fire mage.

  • Leokun

    For now, I’m only going to ask one question.

    Why do you raid?

  • Nibuca

    @Leokun
    Simple question, complex answer.

    I raid because it’s more fun than watching TV. I love the comradery I have with my guild. Most runs are better than some Comedy shows.

    I raid because it’s the easiest place to see “how I’m doing” compared to others. In solo I can judge my performance against my past performance.. but there’s no real push for me to improve. whether I’m at 1k dps or 1.5k dps the mob still dies.. it just takes longer.

    I raid because that’s where the better equipment is. Which leads to the question: why do you need better equipment. Obviously the answer is: To do better in raids. That’s circular.. and annoying.. but I don’t have a better answer.

    I raid.. because that’s one of the Wow-mini games I enjoy. I also enjoy the “Theorycrafting” game.. and the “twiddly my UI, look I have addons” game. I want to enjoy the “I rule the AH with an iron-fist” game or “I can’t make any more money because a byte will only hold so big a number” game.. but I’ve found that I kinda suck at those.

  • Right On! other than the NSFW title :-(

    There’s only one team of people who are the very first in the world to get a kill. For the rest of us, whether its the 2nd in the world or the 10,000th in the world, it is still the first kill for US.

    And it is friggin exciting!

    The fun for me is in how much challenge it is for my group of raiders, not how easy/hard it was for Nihilum to do. If we wipe and wipe, but remain constructive and positive, when we finally kill the boss….jubiliation.

    I soooo cannot tolerate elitist attitudes. I’m a big fan of taking pride in doing a good job, but to turn it around and try to make other people feel bad or inferior is awful and speaks very poorly of the character of that person.

    Amavas last blog post..Fish Feast, FTW

  • The xkcd is the cherry on top. Really makes the post so much more full of win than it already is. Much love.

    krizzlybears last blog post..Feels Good Again

  • Illiara

    Fuck the e-peen wankers.

    My guild struggled SOOOO much with Loatheb. We’re a casual guild…not a lot of experienced raiders and we’re not all perfectly geared. When we finally dropped his fungoid ass, the excitement was palpable. It was GREAT. Call it casual if you want, but we had a GREAT time and it felt REALLY rewarding to bring him down, and there’s nothing that anyone can say to take that away.

    I remember when they first talked about that one guild that cleared all of the current endgame content in like three days after the release of Wrath. The thing that most people didn’t realize about them is…they were all in the Beta. They had every boss on farm in the BETA. When Wrath hit, they knew all the strats, they knew all the quick ways to get to 80, they knew what they needed, etc. If that’s how you want to spend your time ingame, whatever, more power to you, but don’t claim your opinion as the fucking GOSPEL. But unfortunately, that’s what a lot of people did and still do. Whenever I hear people complain about the “easiness” of the Wrath endgame I check their profile on the Armory. If they don’t have the Immortal, the Of the Twilight, or any of the other Heroic Raid Achievements, I tell them to go get them and then come back and complain.

  • Amen!!!

    That is all. =)

  • Kimberly

    Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for this. Seriously.

    My guild just finished the fourth quarter of Naxx-10 and was splorted by Sapphiron 4x before quitting. But the peer pressure to do more, faster is weighing on some of my guildmates. They want to start doing Naxx-25 when we can’t even finish Naxx-10. They want to start leaving drakes up when we, like you, are still losing people to the lava waves. It’s frustrating.

    Kimberlys last blog post..Heroic Caverns of Time: Culling of Stratholme