Comments on: It’s the end of the world as we know it http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2009/02/24/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/ Impish by nature. Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:54:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Trina Stafford http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2009/02/24/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/comment-page-1/#comment-4053 Trina Stafford Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:59:31 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=1582#comment-4053 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">From Twitter: Mystic Chicanery » It's the end of the world as we know it http://tinyurl.com/y92o58b</span></span> From Twitter: Mystic Chicanery » It's the end of the world as we know it http://tinyurl.com/y92o58b

]]> By: Fulguralis http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2009/02/24/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2180 Fulguralis Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:02:15 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=1582#comment-2180 Ooooh, that's a really good idea. A DoT bomb sort of like how Obliterate works for DKs... That would be pretty neat. Though we'd still have to be able to apply a few dots to explode off, and that is still tough on some trash... Fulguraliss last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/KillingemSlowly/~3/532615431/faith-hope-and-love.html" rel="nofollow">Faith, Hope, and Love</a> Ooooh, that’s a really good idea. A DoT bomb sort of like how Obliterate works for DKs… That would be pretty neat. Though we’d still have to be able to apply a few dots to explode off, and that is still tough on some trash…

Fulguraliss last blog post..Faith, Hope, and Love

]]> By: mbf http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2009/02/24/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2173 mbf Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:30:26 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=1582#comment-2173 What I'd like to see for affliction is some sort of conlag-alike. It would help us tremendously on trash where we're weak and provide some needed burst. Something that would suck up the affliction effects on a mob and implode in some sort of shadow vacuum bomb like thing. It would need to be instant cast or 1.5 secs at most. sb-haunt-corr-ua-vacuum pack: kaboom for trash, not so useful on bosses though as it eats your DoTs. What I’d like to see for affliction is some sort of conlag-alike. It would help us tremendously on trash where we’re weak and provide some needed burst. Something that would suck up the affliction effects on a mob and implode in some sort of shadow vacuum bomb like thing. It would need to be instant cast or 1.5 secs at most.

sb-haunt-corr-ua-vacuum pack: kaboom for trash, not so useful on bosses though as it eats your DoTs.

]]> By: Leokun http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2009/02/24/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2165 Leokun Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:42:52 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=1582#comment-2165 It seems to me they are aligning the stars for a very crit heavy succubus spec to be viable. It sounds interesting considering one could potentially get around 30% crit from talents with a spec revolving around the succubus. It seems to me they are aligning the stars for a very crit heavy succubus spec to be viable. It sounds interesting considering one could potentially get around 30% crit from talents with a spec revolving around the succubus.

]]> By: Fulguralis http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2009/02/24/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2164 Fulguralis Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:03:17 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=1582#comment-2164 Yeah, I think I went through the whole QQ to Wait and See phases in my entry yesterday. You can see I get angry and then cool off. I'm still kinda peeved, especially with your blue reposting in here confirming what I've already come to terms with: it should *almost* be a wash, erring on the side of nerf. Now, I know they keep saying 'locks are fine and all that jazz, but is it just me who feels like we're always just slightly behind the curve. When are they going to have the other classes "brought under control". If everyone else is out of control and we're under control, isn't that just a way of looking at it. I mean, is it the whole world that is messed up, or just you? Maybe I want to be out of control for once. In control all the time is sort of dull and mediocre, which completely doesn't fit with the Warlock psyche. Long story short... I've always wanted to focus on shadow damage so I approve of the push in the direction. Simplification is probably warranted. I can tolerate using more s-bolts. Having to figure out if crit makes up for straight DoT damage sounds like messy maths. Potentially getting nerf but not really knowing because its hidding in blizz jargon = no bueno. Fulguraliss last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/KillingemSlowly/~3/532615431/faith-hope-and-love.html" rel="nofollow">Faith, Hope, and Love</a> Yeah, I think I went through the whole QQ to Wait and See phases in my entry yesterday. You can see I get angry and then cool off. I’m still kinda peeved, especially with your blue reposting in here confirming what I’ve already come to terms with: it should *almost* be a wash, erring on the side of nerf.

Now, I know they keep saying ‘locks are fine and all that jazz, but is it just me who feels like we’re always just slightly behind the curve. When are they going to have the other classes “brought under control”. If everyone else is out of control and we’re under control, isn’t that just a way of looking at it. I mean, is it the whole world that is messed up, or just you? Maybe I want to be out of control for once. In control all the time is sort of dull and mediocre, which completely doesn’t fit with the Warlock psyche.

Long story short… I’ve always wanted to focus on shadow damage so I approve of the push in the direction. Simplification is probably warranted. I can tolerate using more s-bolts. Having to figure out if crit makes up for straight DoT damage sounds like messy maths. Potentially getting nerf but not really knowing because its hidding in blizz jargon = no bueno.

Fulguraliss last blog post..Faith, Hope, and Love

]]> By: Leokun http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2009/02/24/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2163 Leokun Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:59:04 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=1582#comment-2163 Blizzard really needs to pay attention to what they are doing to affliction. The way I see it the new Affliction could potentially become the new 0/21/40. Assuming that Immolate is dropped from the rotation and CotE is used over CoA we would end with something like this: CotE, Shadow Bolt, Haunt, Corruption, Unstable Affliction Which looks dreadfully familiar... Blizzard really needs to pay attention to what they are doing to affliction. The way I see it the new Affliction could potentially become the new 0/21/40.

Assuming that Immolate is dropped from the rotation and CotE is used over CoA we would end with something like this:

CotE, Shadow Bolt, Haunt, Corruption, Unstable Affliction

Which looks dreadfully familiar…

]]> By: Illiara http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2009/02/24/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2162 Illiara Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:00:37 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=1582#comment-2162 I'll admit that I panicked too, but I'm starting to warm to the patch. At first I wasn't fond of the idea of losing some of the complexity of the rotation, but I spent the past two weeks alternating my playing between my new DK and my hunter...and maybe Affliction could use a LITTLE simplification. I DO hope they buff Corruption or Shadowbolt to make up for the DPS loss from Immolate and Siphon Life though. I'm admittedly not too fond of losing one of the spec's signature spells. I’ll admit that I panicked too, but I’m starting to warm to the patch.

At first I wasn’t fond of the idea of losing some of the complexity of the rotation, but I spent the past two weeks alternating my playing between my new DK and my hunter…and maybe Affliction could use a LITTLE simplification.

I DO hope they buff Corruption or Shadowbolt to make up for the DPS loss from Immolate and Siphon Life though. I’m admittedly not too fond of losing one of the spec’s signature spells.

]]> By: Grimmtooth http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2009/02/24/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2160 Grimmtooth Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:35:32 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=1582#comment-2160 More and more I'm thinking that Afflic is being pushed to Shadow, and Destro to Fire. Which puts Immolate into the Destro lock's toolbox. Well, it was already there because of Conflagrate, but I think it's become of less interest for Affliction. Grimmtooths last blog post..<a href="http://wowblog.grimmlabs.com/2009/02/24/the-game-is-changing/" rel="nofollow">The game is changing</a> More and more I’m thinking that Afflic is being pushed to Shadow, and Destro to Fire. Which puts Immolate into the Destro lock’s toolbox. Well, it was already there because of Conflagrate, but I think it’s become of less interest for Affliction.

Grimmtooths last blog post..The game is changing

]]> By: Nibuca http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2009/02/24/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2159 Nibuca Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:20:50 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=1582#comment-2159 <a href="http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/14910372732-siphon-life-changes-damage-loss.html" rel="nofollow">GC speaks:</a> <font color="blue">All in all it should be about a wash or possibly a small nerf. Affliction dps is very high in most raid settings, particularly once so many other classes get brought under control. So we weren't at all trying to buff Affliction with these changes, and all in all a small nerf is probably fine.</font> Warlocks are fine. L2P. *sigh* I actually hoped we'd get a smide of burst dps. That'd be spiff. GC speaks:
All in all it should be about a wash or possibly a small nerf. Affliction dps is very high in most raid settings, particularly once so many other classes get brought under control. So we weren’t at all trying to buff Affliction with these changes, and all in all a small nerf is probably fine.

Warlocks are fine. L2P. *sigh*

I actually hoped we’d get a smide of burst dps. That’d be spiff.

]]> By: latusthegoat http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2009/02/24/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/comment-page-1/#comment-2158 latusthegoat Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:31:00 +0000 http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/?p=1582#comment-2158 I've already gone through a panic QQ and am now on the very tentative first steps of a rebound (brought on by the announcement of the Jousting tournament and the new tailoring belts, omfg! 2(+1) sockets, hit, haste, sp. power??? OMFG!!!). I had to remind myself a few times these were the FIRST PTR notes. Things will change, things will be altered. As it stands, though, the developers have told us to remove Immolate from our affliction rotation. There's no real reason to keep it in there. Shadow bolt spam will be better for our dps, at least in this current version of the 3.1 affliction build. They've also taken Siphon Life away from us. Did anyone seriously use it in pve raids for the healing effect? It was a nice bonus, but you used it because it also caused damage and boosted your dps. Your healers took care of getting you back to full, not a measly 400 health tic per second. It was great in aoe grinding, but it was never meant as a "omg i'm healzors!!!" ability. So great, corruption gives us health, but it also killed affliction dps. I would be shocked, and tremendously surprised, if no further changes happened to the Affliction Warlock. Right now we've had our dps cut by about 20-30%, depending how your recount stats show up. For myself, as a well geared warlock, I was averaging 3500-4500 dps. 20-30% less puts me at 2450-3150 dps. In some of the top end-game gear available to me, I would be putting out the same dps that your average fresh 80 hunter in BC blues could put out... Destruction, on the other hand, has potential... maybe I'll finally go back to having a blog and document how the different trees go when I get around to PTR'ing my toon! Eeeee! latusthegoats last blog post..<a href="http://underct.com/2009/01/22/has-enough-time-passed/" rel="nofollow">Has enough time passed?</a> I’ve already gone through a panic QQ and am now on the very tentative first steps of a rebound (brought on by the announcement of the Jousting tournament and the new tailoring belts, omfg! 2(+1) sockets, hit, haste, sp. power??? OMFG!!!).

I had to remind myself a few times these were the FIRST PTR notes. Things will change, things will be altered. As it stands, though, the developers have told us to remove Immolate from our affliction rotation. There’s no real reason to keep it in there. Shadow bolt spam will be better for our dps, at least in this current version of the 3.1 affliction build. They’ve also taken Siphon Life away from us. Did anyone seriously use it in pve raids for the healing effect? It was a nice bonus, but you used it because it also caused damage and boosted your dps. Your healers took care of getting you back to full, not a measly 400 health tic per second. It was great in aoe grinding, but it was never meant as a “omg i’m healzors!!!” ability. So great, corruption gives us health, but it also killed affliction dps.

I would be shocked, and tremendously surprised, if no further changes happened to the Affliction Warlock. Right now we’ve had our dps cut by about 20-30%, depending how your recount stats show up.

For myself, as a well geared warlock, I was averaging 3500-4500 dps. 20-30% less puts me at 2450-3150 dps. In some of the top end-game gear available to me, I would be putting out the same dps that your average fresh 80 hunter in BC blues could put out…

Destruction, on the other hand, has potential… maybe I’ll finally go back to having a blog and document how the different trees go when I get around to PTR’ing my toon! Eeeee!

latusthegoats last blog post..Has enough time passed?

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