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		<title>By: Fricassee</title>
		<link>http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2009/10/15/pretty-trinket-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3770</link>
		<dc:creator>Fricassee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing of note is that haste proc trinkets can sometimes throw off your rythym.  Make sure you get plenty of practice with them before using them in raids, or you won&#039;t get the optimum value out of them.

Edit: And also make sure the haste value doesn&#039;t push you past the haste softcap, or it won&#039;t give you the full effect of the passive haste value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing of note is that haste proc trinkets can sometimes throw off your rythym.  Make sure you get plenty of practice with them before using them in raids, or you won&#8217;t get the optimum value out of them.</p>
<p>Edit: And also make sure the haste value doesn&#8217;t push you past the haste softcap, or it won&#8217;t give you the full effect of the passive haste value.</p>
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		<title>By: Kring</title>
		<link>http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/2009/10/15/pretty-trinket-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3769</link>
		<dc:creator>Kring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot another important aspect. The proc chance. For Abyssal Rune it&#039;s 25%, for the Sundial only 10%. Therefore, the proc will never ever be up every 45 seconds. (On WoWhead you can click on the proc and it lists the proc chance.)

Then, a haste proc is considered at the beginning of your cast, a spellpower or crit proc when your cast finishes. Therefore, you will waste some up time on a a spellpower proc. If the proc is up for 1 more second and you cast a 2 second shadow bolt, the last 1 second of the proc is wasted unused. On the other side if you have 1 second left on a haste proc and start casting a 2 second shadow bolt, the whole cast will be hasted.

Illustration of the Dragon Soul can be pre-stacked with life tap (rank 1) or your pet heal (rank 1) before the fight starts, but these casts might also proc other trinkets or your tailoring enchant and therefore reduce their effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot another important aspect. The proc chance. For Abyssal Rune it&#8217;s 25%, for the Sundial only 10%. Therefore, the proc will never ever be up every 45 seconds. (On WoWhead you can click on the proc and it lists the proc chance.)</p>
<p>Then, a haste proc is considered at the beginning of your cast, a spellpower or crit proc when your cast finishes. Therefore, you will waste some up time on a a spellpower proc. If the proc is up for 1 more second and you cast a 2 second shadow bolt, the last 1 second of the proc is wasted unused. On the other side if you have 1 second left on a haste proc and start casting a 2 second shadow bolt, the whole cast will be hasted.</p>
<p>Illustration of the Dragon Soul can be pre-stacked with life tap (rank 1) or your pet heal (rank 1) before the fight starts, but these casts might also proc other trinkets or your tailoring enchant and therefore reduce their effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Everwrath of Silvermoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everwrath of Silvermoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worthwhile to get one of the non-essential DPSers in the raid (you know, the rogue that&#039;s always hugging carpet by his third eviscerate) to run the World of Logs monitoring software and throw up the stats.  Using these, you can look fight by fight at your toon and see which buffs are up (and which debuffs you aren&#039;t avoiding). 

You can see pattens emerging where you have regular(ish) procs and see how your DPS peaks during these periods.  Turned out a lot of my empowered imp and lightweave procs co-incided with running to avoid stuff during a lot of encounters, and my lifetap buff wasn&#039;t *always* being kept up. 

Seeing graphical proof that you&#039;re not running at optimum performance can be a great boot-up-the-back-end without having someone shouting &quot;tap, noob&quot; at you :-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worthwhile to get one of the non-essential DPSers in the raid (you know, the rogue that&#8217;s always hugging carpet by his third eviscerate) to run the World of Logs monitoring software and throw up the stats.  Using these, you can look fight by fight at your toon and see which buffs are up (and which debuffs you aren&#8217;t avoiding). </p>
<p>You can see pattens emerging where you have regular(ish) procs and see how your DPS peaks during these periods.  Turned out a lot of my empowered imp and lightweave procs co-incided with running to avoid stuff during a lot of encounters, and my lifetap buff wasn&#8217;t *always* being kept up. </p>
<p>Seeing graphical proof that you&#8217;re not running at optimum performance can be a great boot-up-the-back-end without having someone shouting &#8220;tap, noob&#8221; at you <img src='http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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		<title>By: Curumo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curumo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick note about Illustration of the Dragon Soul:  it doesn&#039;t put a debuff on your target.  Instead it is a buff on yourself.  As long as you are attacking something before the buff expires (every 10 seconds), you&#039;ll be able to stack up to 200 spell power even by attacking multiple targets.  I have one and absolutely love it (except for the bug with Blizzard that doesn&#039;t proc it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick note about Illustration of the Dragon Soul:  it doesn&#8217;t put a debuff on your target.  Instead it is a buff on yourself.  As long as you are attacking something before the buff expires (every 10 seconds), you&#8217;ll be able to stack up to 200 spell power even by attacking multiple targets.  I have one and absolutely love it (except for the bug with Blizzard that doesn&#8217;t proc it).</p>
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		<title>By: Cynwise of Stormwind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynwise of Stormwind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @Nibuca: I happen to have posted about evaluating trinkets today :) http://bit.ly/3kbIAy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @Nibuca: I happen to have posted about evaluating trinkets today <img src='http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <a href="http://bit.ly/3kbIAy" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3kbIAy</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Nibuca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nibuca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@Greshlock Not to.. you know continually pimp it.. but I happen to have posted about evaluating trinkets today :) http://bit.ly/3kbIAy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@Greshlock Not to.. you know continually pimp it.. but I happen to have posted about evaluating trinkets today <img src='http://chicanery.fibergeek.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <a href="http://bit.ly/3kbIAy" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3kbIAy</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Nibuca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nibuca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;New MC post: Pretty Trinket http://bit.ly/3kbIAy Evaluating Trinkets #warcraft #mathification&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">New MC post: Pretty Trinket <a href="http://bit.ly/3kbIAy" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3kbIAy</a> Evaluating Trinkets #warcraft #mathification</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Nibuca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nibuca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bobturkey
I appreciate the sentiment.  I had the same hesitation.  That&#039;s why I did back-of-the-envelope math for 11 trinkets (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tuc-_CQ8K7g2wuV7JYBfCoA&amp;output=html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;google spreadsheet&lt;/a&gt;).  Aside from the fact that they&#039;re displaying slightly different numbers on their weights.. the relative rankings of all 11 trinkets was the same from my calculations as compared to theirs.

So.. honestly it&#039;s better than nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bobturkey<br />
I appreciate the sentiment.  I had the same hesitation.  That&#8217;s why I did back-of-the-envelope math for 11 trinkets (see <a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tuc-_CQ8K7g2wuV7JYBfCoA&#038;output=html" rel="nofollow">google spreadsheet</a>).  Aside from the fact that they&#8217;re displaying slightly different numbers on their weights.. the relative rankings of all 11 trinkets was the same from my calculations as compared to theirs.</p>
<p>So.. honestly it&#8217;s better than nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobturkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobturkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love LootRank but their trinket ranking is pretty weak, especially around Use and proc type abilities.  Personally I wouldn\&#039;t recommend anyone use the trinkets list from LootRank as is isn\&#039;t reliable.

Seems to work fine for other slots though.

Gobble gobble.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love LootRank but their trinket ranking is pretty weak, especially around Use and proc type abilities.  Personally I wouldn\&#8217;t recommend anyone use the trinkets list from LootRank as is isn\&#8217;t reliable.</p>
<p>Seems to work fine for other slots though.</p>
<p>Gobble gobble.<br />
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		<title>By: Nibuca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nibuca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still need to test if Mithral Pocketwatch stacks with the Sundial.

I will agree that the ranking for BoA stuff is off.  I just ignore it if it&#039;s golden/amber.  

Once upon a time, for Warlocks, the Egg of Mortal Essence actually -was- an upgrade from Dying Curse.  If it procs it is the equivalent of the Embrace of the Spider.  It -used- to proc on Fel Armor heals.  So it was constantly up.  They changed that in um.. 3.1 I think.. so now it only triggers from Life Tap, Health funnel, Fel Synergy and Mana Feed.

Keep in mind also, the lootrank link above has +hit as worth 0 points.  So Dying Curse ranks as a fantastic trinket based only on its DPS qualities.  If you also need +hit, then Dying Curse is Godly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still need to test if Mithral Pocketwatch stacks with the Sundial.</p>
<p>I will agree that the ranking for BoA stuff is off.  I just ignore it if it&#8217;s golden/amber.  </p>
<p>Once upon a time, for Warlocks, the Egg of Mortal Essence actually -was- an upgrade from Dying Curse.  If it procs it is the equivalent of the Embrace of the Spider.  It -used- to proc on Fel Armor heals.  So it was constantly up.  They changed that in um.. 3.1 I think.. so now it only triggers from Life Tap, Health funnel, Fel Synergy and Mana Feed.</p>
<p>Keep in mind also, the lootrank link above has +hit as worth 0 points.  So Dying Curse ranks as a fantastic trinket based only on its DPS qualities.  If you also need +hit, then Dying Curse is Godly.</p>
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